{"id":3422,"date":"2017-03-22T13:57:28","date_gmt":"2017-03-22T18:57:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/thedisciplemaker.org\/?p=3422"},"modified":"2017-03-22T13:57:28","modified_gmt":"2017-03-22T18:57:28","slug":"the-god-you-dont-believe-in","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.navpress.com\/sites\/thedisciplemaker\/2017\/03\/the-god-you-dont-believe-in\/","title":{"rendered":"The God You Don&#8217;t Believe In"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"bsf_rt_marker\"><\/div><p class=\"body-fl\">When people say they don\u2019t believe in God, I sometimes ask them, \u201cWhat kind of God don\u2019t you believe in?\u201d After they describe their version of God, I often agree with them. \u201cI don\u2019t believe in that kind of God either.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\"><strong>The God the new atheists reject is not the actual God of the Bible<\/strong>. They reject a caricature of Him. They think the God of the Bible is some kind of superhero, akin to Zeus or Thor\u2014a limited being inside the universe that theists call on to fill the gaps that science can\u2019t explain. He\u2019s also morally arbitrary and can fly off the handle at any moment.<img loading=\"lazy\" class=\" wp-image-3436 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/www.navpress.com\/sites\/thedisciplemaker\/wp-content\/uploads\/lightstock_226854_jpg_david-1024x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"250\" height=\"250\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\">This is the kind of god Richard Dawkins has in mind when he dismisses the God of the Bible. He writes, \u201cI have found it an amusing strategy, when asked whether I am an atheist, to point out that the questioner is also an atheist when considering Zeus, Apollo, Amon Ra, Baal, Thor, Wotan, the Golden Calf and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I just go one god further.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\">Unfortunately for Dr. Dawkins, this strategy only highlights his ignorance of biblical theism. The God of the Bible is not like Zeus, Apollo, Baal, and the rest, or even what the Bible calls an \u201cangel.\u201d God is not a created being among other beings inside the universe. <strong>He is Being itself and transcends the entire created order!<\/strong> He is the ultimate and sustaining cause of all created things, including angels, human beings, and the material world we call the universe. This kind of God can be known by all people because God has revealed Himself through two books: the book of nature (which everyone has) and the Bible.<\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\">To be fair, many Christians don\u2019t have the proper conception of God either. They think God is something like a big angel or just a bigger version of themselves. Perhaps they haven\u2019t studied the context of certain Bible passages to discover what the Bible actually means by \u201cGod.\u201d The God of the Bible has some of the same attributes of Aristotle\u2019s \u201cunmoved mover\u201d and many, if not all, of the attributes cited by great philosophers and theologians such as Augustine, Aquinas, and Anselm.<\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\">In order to grasp that kind of God, you may need to renew your mind. If you are used to conceiving of God as a big angel or an old man in the sky, then <strong>drop the word \u201cGod\u201d for a minute<\/strong> and simply think of the God of the Bible as the Source and Sustainer of all things. The Source and Sustainer of all things is:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\"><span class=\"cs-bold\">Self-existing:<\/span> not caused by another; the foundation of all being<br \/>\n<figure id=\"attachment_571\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-571\" style=\"width: 221px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.navpress.com\/p\/stealing-from-god\/9781612917016?utm_source=discplemaker&amp;utm_medium=God%20You%20Don't%20Believe%20In&amp;utm_campaign=Stealing%20from%20God\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-571\" src=\"https:\/\/www.navpress.com\/sites\/thedisciplemaker\/wp-content\/uploads\/Stealing-from-God-683x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"231\" height=\"347\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-571\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Keep Reading or Get Your Copy<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Infinite: unlimited; the completely maximized or actualized Being<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Simple: undivided in being; is not made up of parts<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Immaterial: spirit; not made of matter<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Spaceless: transcends space<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Timeless: transcends time; eternal, had no beginning and will have no end<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Omnipotent: all powerful; can do whatever is logically possible<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Omnipresent: everywhere present<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Omniscient: all knowing; knows all actual and possible states of affairs<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Immutable: changeless; the anchor and standard by which everything else is measured<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Holy: set apart; morally perfect; is perfectly just and loving<\/li>\n<li class=\"bullet-list-sp\">Personal: has mind, emotion, and will; makes choices<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p class=\"body-text-sp\">These attributes and others are coexistent, infinite, and unified in the Source and Sustainer. If you want to get a sense of what the Source and Sustainer is like, meditate on these attributes while removing all limits from your mind. That\u2019s what the Bible means by \u201cGod.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\">Whether or not this Being actually exists is irrelevant to my point right now. My point right now is that when most atheists attack what they think is the God of the Bible, they are actually attacking the equivalent of an Old Testament idol\u2014exactly the kind of invented being the true God kept warning Israel was not real. Orthodox Christians don\u2019t believe in the finite, created god Richard Dawkins doesn\u2019t believe in either. Dawkins is <strong>knocking over a straw god, not the self-existing, eternal, immaterial, simple, all-powerful God of the Bible.<\/strong> So ironically, Richard Dawkins, orthodox Christians, and the true God agree on something\u2014idols don\u2019t really exist!<\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\">While the arguments in <em><span class=\"cs-italic\">The God Delusion<\/span><\/em> may cause us to doubt the existence of Zeus, Thor, and the like, they don\u2019t get within a thousand miles of the God of the Bible. Neither do the arguments of Dawkins\u2019 atheist colleagues. But we\u2019ll get to that later.<\/p>\n<p class=\"body-text\">Now that we have a working idea of what \u201cGod\u201d means, what does it mean to be an \u201catheist?\u201d Is that someone who believes that such a being does not exist? Not according to some atheists.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p class=\"body-text\">You&#8217;ve been reading <em>Stealing from God: Why Atheists Need God to Make their Case<\/em> by award-winning author and speaker Frank Turek. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.navpress.com\/p\/stealing-from-god\/9781612917016?utm_source=discplemaker&amp;utm_medium=God%20You%20Don't%20Believe%20In&amp;utm_campaign=Stealing%20from%20God\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Continue reading here.<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When people say they don\u2019t believe in God, I sometimes ask them, \u201cWhat kind of God don\u2019t you believe in?\u201d After they describe their version of God, I often agree with them. \u201cI don\u2019t believe in that kind of God &#8230; <\/p>\n<p class=\"read-more-container\"><a title=\"The God You Don&#8217;t Believe In\" class=\"read-more button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.navpress.com\/sites\/thedisciplemaker\/2017\/03\/the-god-you-dont-believe-in\/#more-3422\">Read more<span class=\"screen-reader-text\">The God You Don&#8217;t Believe In<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":3428,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_FSMCFIC_featured_image_caption":"","_FSMCFIC_featured_image_nocaption":"","_FSMCFIC_featured_image_hide":""},"categories":[7,16],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.6 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>The God You Don&#039;t Believe In - The Disciplemaker<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.navpress.com\/sites\/thedisciplemaker\/2017\/03\/the-god-you-dont-believe-in\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"The God You Don&#039;t Believe In - The Disciplemaker\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"When people say they don\u2019t believe in God, I sometimes ask them, \u201cWhat kind of God don\u2019t you believe in?\u201d After they describe their version of God, I often agree with them. \u201cI don\u2019t believe in that kind of God ... 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